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		<title>Comment on  by robertgarfield</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 21:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Larry. Great question.

     Another joy of mine as a kid was playing sports -baseball, basketball and football. While I hated to lose, individually or on a team,  the important thing for me was to be outside playing. I never kept tally of my win/loss record over the years, but in those competitions I learned how to have fun, to cooperate, make friends, develop physical skills, be a team member, and also how to deal with frustration and embarrassment.

     We care too much about winning or losing in our culture today.  Winning is only one element of competition, which is complex in nature. It&#039;s origins are from the Latin. &quot;com&quot; meaning with, and &quot;peto, petere&quot; meaning to seek, or strive; in sum, &quot;to strive with.&quot; Thus, etymologically, competition is not meant to signify an alienating process, but rather one where we are striving together, with others.  Also, while competition is not, strictly speaking, an instinct, aggression is. When aggression gets out of control, particularly for men, it can create feelings of shame, humiliation, and anger. Shared endeavors, whether playing checkers, basketball or the stock market, are no longer fun. Things can turn ugly.

     Men don&#039;t need enemies in order to bond and maintain satisfying friendships. I&#039;m not suggesting that there aren&#039;t real dangers in our world that require our vigilance and attention.  Finding common enemies in order to bond us together, however, can be a distraction - and a dangerous one, at that - from the critical challenge of figuring out how we can better control our tempers, check our egos at the door, be open and vulnerable with each other, and find common ground when we encounter differences in our ways of thinking. These are critical skills for establishing and maintaining close friendships.

   When the men in our men&#039;s groups, our Friendship Labs, first meet, there is the inevitable carping about how &quot;guys out there in the world are full of themselves, don&#039;t care about being real, aren&#039;t interested in being close with other men.&quot;  Recently, however, one man interrupted this harangue, and, smiling, said to the other guys, &quot;Dudes, we&#039;re talking about ourselves, aren&#039;t we?&quot; He continued, &quot;Maybe, as Pogo said, &#039;We&#039;ve found the enemy, and it is us.&#039;&quot;  I enjoyed his comment. We guys might do well to give &quot;those guys out there&quot; a break and start tending to our own gardens.




                                                                                                                                                                                               

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Larry. Great question.</p>
<p>     Another joy of mine as a kid was playing sports -baseball, basketball and football. While I hated to lose, individually or on a team,  the important thing for me was to be outside playing. I never kept tally of my win/loss record over the years, but in those competitions I learned how to have fun, to cooperate, make friends, develop physical skills, be a team member, and also how to deal with frustration and embarrassment.</p>
<p>     We care too much about winning or losing in our culture today.  Winning is only one element of competition, which is complex in nature. It&#8217;s origins are from the Latin. &#8220;com&#8221; meaning with, and &#8220;peto, petere&#8221; meaning to seek, or strive; in sum, &#8220;to strive with.&#8221; Thus, etymologically, competition is not meant to signify an alienating process, but rather one where we are striving together, with others.  Also, while competition is not, strictly speaking, an instinct, aggression is. When aggression gets out of control, particularly for men, it can create feelings of shame, humiliation, and anger. Shared endeavors, whether playing checkers, basketball or the stock market, are no longer fun. Things can turn ugly.</p>
<p>     Men don&#8217;t need enemies in order to bond and maintain satisfying friendships. I&#8217;m not suggesting that there aren&#8217;t real dangers in our world that require our vigilance and attention.  Finding common enemies in order to bond us together, however, can be a distraction &#8211; and a dangerous one, at that &#8211; from the critical challenge of figuring out how we can better control our tempers, check our egos at the door, be open and vulnerable with each other, and find common ground when we encounter differences in our ways of thinking. These are critical skills for establishing and maintaining close friendships.</p>
<p>   When the men in our men&#8217;s groups, our Friendship Labs, first meet, there is the inevitable carping about how &#8220;guys out there in the world are full of themselves, don&#8217;t care about being real, aren&#8217;t interested in being close with other men.&#8221;  Recently, however, one man interrupted this harangue, and, smiling, said to the other guys, &#8220;Dudes, we&#8217;re talking about ourselves, aren&#8217;t we?&#8221; He continued, &#8220;Maybe, as Pogo said, &#8216;We&#8217;ve found the enemy, and it is us.'&#8221;  I enjoyed his comment. We guys might do well to give &#8220;those guys out there&#8221; a break and start tending to our own gardens.</p>
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		<title>Comment on  by larry hirschhorn</title>
		<link>https://robgarfield.com/mens-friendships-today/#comment-16</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rob I wonder how you think about competitive feelings as a factor in shaping male friendship. I wonder if male bonding is strongest when men face a common &quot;enemy&quot; together, much like the myth you recount. The enemy (the opposing sports team, the other company, the bad guy&#039;s army) provides an outlet for the aggression that might normally disrupt the bonding between men. Without an enemy, the aggression can undermine the friendship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob I wonder how you think about competitive feelings as a factor in shaping male friendship. I wonder if male bonding is strongest when men face a common &#8220;enemy&#8221; together, much like the myth you recount. The enemy (the opposing sports team, the other company, the bad guy&#8217;s army) provides an outlet for the aggression that might normally disrupt the bonding between men. Without an enemy, the aggression can undermine the friendship.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About the Blog by Deborah Wunnicke</title>
		<link>https://robgarfield.com/reel-men/#comment-15</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 04:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have always enjoyed men, boys, the y chromosome.
It is likely because I had a big brother who cared for me, taught me harmony (in both a musical sphere and get-a-long way) and he wanted to know what was going on in my life.
I think that was rare. My younger brother learned well and is emotionally forthcoming. It is easy for me to talk to men about what they care about and what they are concerned about.  I sometimes sense that I need to preface these conversations with a vow of silence that I also honor.  I am always surprised by the depth of emotion expressed by men, maybe even more so than with women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always enjoyed men, boys, the y chromosome.<br />
It is likely because I had a big brother who cared for me, taught me harmony (in both a musical sphere and get-a-long way) and he wanted to know what was going on in my life.<br />
I think that was rare. My younger brother learned well and is emotionally forthcoming. It is easy for me to talk to men about what they care about and what they are concerned about.  I sometimes sense that I need to preface these conversations with a vow of silence that I also honor.  I am always surprised by the depth of emotion expressed by men, maybe even more so than with women.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About the Blog by David</title>
		<link>https://robgarfield.com/reel-men/#comment-13</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 00:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well at least I can still add
Am tired of being tired at the age of 60
Interestingly the old push push push anxiety is finding push back in post 60 tiredness coupled with what I hope is a healthy entitlement (do I really have to keep pushing? Don&#039;t I get to stop pushing so much?)

Anybody else feel this way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least I can still add<br />
Am tired of being tired at the age of 60<br />
Interestingly the old push push push anxiety is finding push back in post 60 tiredness coupled with what I hope is a healthy entitlement (do I really have to keep pushing? Don&#8217;t I get to stop pushing so much?)</p>
<p>Anybody else feel this way?</p>
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		<title>Comment on About the Blog by larry hirschhorn</title>
		<link>https://robgarfield.com/reel-men/#comment-12</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 00:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be interested in talking with folks about men retiring- or semi-retiring. what happens when we stop &quot;bringing home the bacon&quot; of for those who are Jewish, the &quot;bread.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested in talking with folks about men retiring- or semi-retiring. what happens when we stop &#8220;bringing home the bacon&#8221; of for those who are Jewish, the &#8220;bread.&#8221;</p>
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